"Hey, you know, when I come to visit you, you need to hook me up with one of your friends"!
Completely perplexed by this phrase he said:
"Hook me up, what does means?"
So I said:
"You know hook me like you need to introduce me to one of your friends".
His response was:
"Ohhh Yes, Ugomma....but you need to be slim".
I became silent and couldn't say another word. After 10 seconds of silence he explained,
"Because...well you know in Italy they like the women slim not big, and my friends are this way. I don't think this way, I like women with the meat but my friends, no."
My response:
"Oh.............ohhhhh......."
This comment lead him to a very long tangent about his friends who have visited and about how they had preconceived notions about what American women look like because of the American movies they watched, but when they landed on the good 'ol US of A, their dream were quickly thwarted by the sea of fat American women. I became defensive and my inner-American-patriot came out and I told him:
"Well you have to remeber, in America we have may people of differnt cultures and races, I mean, theren't even that many black women in Italy. And most black women carry weight differntly then white women. We have bigger hips, butts and breats, we not just fat".
So he said:
"Yes, but I think American food is very bad. How many hamburgers do you eat in a week?"
At this point I could feel my face starting to flush and I yelled:
"Hey, just because I'm American DOES NOT mean I eat hamburgers every fucking day. I don't have the money to eat like that and I wouldn't want to eat like that!"
So of course, him being the great Italian he is, responded:
"You know, you should do the Mediterranean Diet".
At this point I didn't want to go any further, so I said:
"Ok"
.....quite the conversation, huh? To be honest it was the first time in my whole entire life that a man other than my father inenvertedly called me fat. When he said "I need to be slim", it was strange, initially I didn't get angry or upset I just kinda sat there. I knew he was telling the truth because the truth is I am fat overweight and I would like to be slim and I'm trying very hard to lose as much weight as possible before going to Europe, but I was completely taken aback that he was so direct. I mean in the US it's unheard of for a man to talk about a woman's weight. I'm used to girlfriends giving me "Oh, Ugomma your a thick girl, but it would be nice if you lost a few" but for a man to call me out on my weight without any reservation....wow.....speechless. When we had this conversation at first I didn't think to much about it. wait that's a lie, I did think about it because I totally texted my friend about it an hour later. But sitting here many hours after the conversation, I am starting to feel the weight of his words. I know he probably didn't intend to be hurtful but damn, is this what I'm going to have to deal with in Europe? As an American I'm accustomed to the naiveté of topics about weight, so I completely felt out of place when he was so honest with me, and it felt kinda crummy.
It does suck. I never felt fat until I went to Austria for the first time in 2003. All of a sudden, I felt like I was seeing myself way differently than I ever had before. I mean, I knew I was overweight but I never felt FAT.
ReplyDeleteIn Europe -- France especially - they can be a little obsessive about weight. French women are known to skip meals or eat very little for fear of becoming fat (even the super waify ones). I haven't really felt pressure or anything this time, living in Lorraine (I think it's because it's close to Germany and so people are more likely to be a little bit bigger than other regions in France, or perhaps just a bit more diverse), but honestly, most French people don't understand obesity/weight issues. Even speaking with one of the teachers, he said he understands why Americans are overweight, but he could never understand why a French person would be.
I don't think it will be too bad when you come here, but you do have to be ready for possible frustration when shopping (depending on which region you live in) and maybe some comments from some French people who know you. But it's not coming from a malicious place... it's coming from a more honest, direct place. It's not considered rude here to comment on something like that. But it does make you feel a bit insecure when you go places like nightclubs or bars and you feel... different. But I'm still having a great time and try not to let it affect me or anything. :)
Thanks Erica! I did some snooping around the French Assistant forum and apparently you are right, it is normal for Europeans to be direct about weight and that's something that will take a little to get used to.
ReplyDeleteWow that comes as a shock to me. I've been to Italy and I have a good handful of male Italian friends and I've never heard of such a thing. I'm sorry to hear that your friend made that comment. It's one thing to kindly suggest a person lose weight but it's another to flat out say that they "need to be slim". Very interesting. I thought I knew alot about Italian culture. And I always assumed they believed a girl was attractive regardless of her body type. But maybe it's just your friend's group of friends.
ReplyDeleteI wonder if European men (I know i'm overgeneralizing but oh well) tend to be just as straight forward about negative things as they are about positives. I once met a guy from Spain and he told me that I was beautiful and "perfect" but if he had to change something about me it would be my nail color. He didn't like my green nail polish. I know it's just nail polish but I was offended because I never asked him what he didn't like about me. Lol.
-Jessica
@Jessica
ReplyDeleteI was just as shocked as you are! I too thought Italians were a bit more open minded about women with curves (I mean they go crazy for Beyonce over there) but sadly, at least with my friend, I was mistaken. I just hope this isn't a reoccurring problem for when we I do go to Europe.
Hi,
ReplyDeleteJust a lurker here, I saw your blog on the Assistants in France forum (i'm a past assistant and coming back to Paris in the fall for another year).
I agree with what everyone else said. Most parisian women are slim, some too skinny even, but trust me I've known a handful of french men who wish the women would just eat once in a while haha. so no worries!
I really like your blog btw.
Marina
don't be too mad at him. i'm overweight and i told my female italian friend that i'd like to start dating and she told me almost the exact same thing. in fact she told me that i need to lose weight first. it could be just cultural. if you consider him to be a good friend, then just know it's coming from a good place. i'm sure he didn't intend to offend you.
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